tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post4252073344292736571..comments2024-03-18T08:33:25.907-04:00Comments on Inkwell Inspirations: Medieval Fiction BacklistLisa Karon Richardsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02175430876079208723noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-56459768929365614352011-11-09T12:39:25.686-05:002011-11-09T12:39:25.686-05:00Yes, and whoever said Medieval Nobles 'had it ...Yes, and whoever said Medieval Nobles 'had it easy'? <br />All the best. <br />AnnaAnnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-9033087395837441622011-11-09T07:25:15.021-05:002011-11-09T07:25:15.021-05:00Interesting. Well, at least we can say this for th...Interesting. Well, at least we can say this for the book: it wasn't boring and it kept us talking.Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-35025483696761489202011-11-09T01:46:50.674-05:002011-11-09T01:46:50.674-05:00That is good, I did not mean to 'have a go'...That is good, I did not mean to 'have a go' at you ot abybody by the way or get upset. <br /><br />I have been examining this issue from a purely Historical level and I do not think in this regard that Beatrice's marital circumstabces were entirely impossible or without remedy. <br /><br />The church did allow women to obatain a divorce or annulment on certain grounds. These could Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-78411352830318829392011-11-09T01:46:50.390-05:002011-11-09T01:46:50.390-05:00That is good, I did not mean to 'have a go'...That is good, I did not mean to 'have a go' at you ot abybody by the way or get upset. <br /><br />I have been examining this issue from a purely Historical level and I do not think in this regard that Beatrice's marital circumstabces were entirely impossible or without remedy. <br /><br />The church did allow women to obatain a divorce or annulment on certain grounds. These could Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-913621863045032932011-11-08T17:10:38.656-05:002011-11-08T17:10:38.656-05:00I do see your point. I hope when you get to the co...I do see your point. I hope when you get to the convent section of my Dandelion book that you will see a true repentance and turning away from her sin. That was certainly my intention. <br /><br />I think for the lady in the review that I mentioned, her issue was more lack of punishment and consequences, than lack of repentance. Even still, I didn't get her point. Dandelion suffered plenty. Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-32401661370279559422011-11-08T16:32:10.829-05:002011-11-08T16:32:10.829-05:00God is loving and mercifil and forgiving and every...God is loving and mercifil and forgiving and everything, but I think too many Christians today choose to ignore or understate other traits of his nature.<br />Like those of Holiness, Righteousness and justice. <br /><br />From the way I have read scripture I never see anywhere that God condones sin, even by those he loved and his devoted followers, and appears to have expected more from those Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-77827970771921197552011-11-08T15:11:24.810-05:002011-11-08T15:11:24.810-05:00"So it was OK because 'God wanted them to..."So it was OK because 'God wanted them to be together'?."<br /><br />No, I didn't say it was okay. I said it was sin. I just think that God is more graceful, forgiving, and merciful than most people give him credit for.<br /><br />I'm afraid your response to this book pretty much illustrates the reason Christians avoid hard issues. Too many people get upset. Personally, Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-48034446195179070852011-11-08T13:54:52.372-05:002011-11-08T13:54:52.372-05:00Also I would sat that Gareth had every right to by...Also I would sat that Gareth had every right to by angry and annoyed with his brother for sleeping with his wife, and to some degree with his wife for commiting adutery (but no right to abuse and mistreat her). Anger would be a natural human response in this situation, so I do not think he was 'evil' in this way.Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-41290679730085265842011-11-08T13:49:25.007-05:002011-11-08T13:49:25.007-05:00So it was OK because 'God wanted them to be to...So it was OK because 'God wanted them to be together'? Still sounds like condoning sin to me. My point was really not whether or not she should have suffered, but whether her repentance was genuine. <br /><br />I was taught that repentance requires some admission of guilt, and contrition. <br />Because Beatrice did not truly believe she had done anything wrong, tried to hide it, deceieve Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-90186981775656993932011-11-08T13:37:04.792-05:002011-11-08T13:37:04.792-05:00I dont think people should either, and I am veheme...I dont think people should either, and I am vehemently opposed to domestic abuse. <br />I do not think however that this situation gives a person the 'right' to cheat on thier partner, nor should it be used as an excuse or justification for thier actions in this degree. The old cliche of 'two wrongs don't make a right' applies here. <br /><br />The main point is that Beatrice Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-69127253803822434262011-11-08T13:27:48.858-05:002011-11-08T13:27:48.858-05:00Okay, story is coming back to me now. My feeling w...Okay, story is coming back to me now. My feeling was that God had a plan all along to free Beatrice and restore their relationship, but they rushed the plan. And yes, it was a sin, but they were in an impossible situation and responded as flawed humans, not evil villains.<br /><br />I had a reviewer say something similar about my Dandelion novel. That she didn't suffer enough for her sin. AllDina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-44927328980173690702011-11-08T13:19:15.361-05:002011-11-08T13:19:15.361-05:00I guess since I don't think people should ever...I guess since I don't think people should ever stay in abusive marriages, but since the historical situation forced her to, that changed my view on everything, and I had a lot of compassion and grace for both of them.<br /><br />Sometimes life is just messy like that.Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-51910055836956779422011-11-08T12:39:02.345-05:002011-11-08T12:39:02.345-05:00If anyone had any genuine moral qualms or somethin...If anyone had any genuine moral qualms or something close to real repentance it was probably the 'non-Christian' Phillip (might have got the name wrong).Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-60276949994196399122011-11-08T12:36:09.616-05:002011-11-08T12:36:09.616-05:00Also, I would say that Beatrice's attitude tow...Also, I would say that Beatrice's attitude towards the affair, in which she basically thought that she had a 'right' to commit adultery because her marriage was forced and her husband was nasty to her was hardly one that would lead to genuine remorse on her part. <br /><br />I just got the impresseion that she felt sorry for herself because sht was found out.Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-26438218571158935542011-11-08T12:33:40.760-05:002011-11-08T12:33:40.760-05:00Hmm...I don't remember it well enough to respo...Hmm...I don't remember it well enough to respond to that.Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-84483526343930557732011-11-08T12:07:22.205-05:002011-11-08T12:07:22.205-05:00I have nothing against the idea of tempatation or ...I have nothing against the idea of tempatation or realism, but what I meant by 'fake' was that it did not appear to result in any genuine change or be a result of genuine contrition. <br /><br />Beatrice's 'repentance' seemed like little more then exaggerated self-pity, plus she still tried to conceal her mideed by deception even after the 'repentance', and both Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-5358842855122803262011-11-08T09:05:36.736-05:002011-11-08T09:05:36.736-05:00In response to the second part of Anna's comme...In response to the second part of Anna's comment, I don't recall feeling like anything was fake. I do remember that I enjoyed how some of it was set in some sort of monastery in the Holy Land. I also, I confess, liked that they fell into temptation at some point. I like a little realism in my Christian fiction, and that seemed very real in their circumstances.Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-83535331975595244532011-11-07T14:57:01.417-05:002011-11-07T14:57:01.417-05:00You're right. That wouldn't have been allo...You're right. That wouldn't have been allowed. Also, as far as I can tell, there were no side saddles at the time, and there's a big issue made over the heroine refusing to use one.Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-81521892972926489262011-11-07T14:55:17.047-05:002011-11-07T14:55:17.047-05:00I remember I read parts of Judith Pella's '...I remember I read parts of Judith Pella's 'mark of the Cross' once to see what it was like but decided not to read the whole thing. <br /><br />I did think the idea of 13th century people not raising any objection to a woman having and affair with her brother-in-law and having a child by him, then the King allowing that child born outside wedlock to succeed to the estates and titles Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-11753909980980204682011-11-07T10:29:23.730-05:002011-11-07T10:29:23.730-05:00Yes, I've seen the medieval period broken into...Yes, I've seen the medieval period broken into those categories too. So true about history.Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-18237436512729595372011-11-07T09:55:50.449-05:002011-11-07T09:55:50.449-05:00That might be Ellis Peters/Edith Parteger, who was...That might be Ellis Peters/Edith Parteger, who was the author of the Cadfael novels. I read that she professed to be some kind of Christian, but I think a lot of her beliefs were rather unorthodox. <br /><br />Amongst most of the Medievalists I know the Medieval period begins in the 5th century. We don't like the phrase 'Darrk Ages' because it implies the people at this time were all Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-55367498962190193712011-11-07T07:07:10.748-05:002011-11-07T07:07:10.748-05:00Anna, you bring up a number of interesting points....Anna, you bring up a number of interesting points. One of the hard things about this time period is that there seems to be a lot of discrepancy about the history. For instance some people call from 400s medieval, other people separate the dark ages and the medieval period. I've actually seen all sorts of different dates given for this time period. I also found when I researched that I would Dina Sleimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214446103057806111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-73086056463079288912011-11-07T03:54:48.971-05:002011-11-07T03:54:48.971-05:00I probably should mention that in England the '...I probably should mention that in England the 'Medieval period' technically begins in 410 Ad with the departure of the Roman Legion, and with the Fall of Rome in most of the Rest of Europe. I dont know of may novels from that time though, except about King Arthur.Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-25396813260721235882011-11-07T03:44:14.801-05:002011-11-07T03:44:14.801-05:00Although they are not Christian I adore the Cadfae...Although they are not Christian I adore the Cadfael chronicles. They recount th exploits of a 12th century Benedictine Monk, herbalist, and former Crusader who solves Murders. People here may have heard of them, they are very popular. <br /><br />I also enjoyed a novel about the Lollards called 'Glimpses of Truth' which was set in 14th Century England, Italy and elsewhere. Though the way Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7502152359497137754.post-21082979723850495172011-11-07T03:33:51.057-05:002011-11-07T03:33:51.057-05:00Sorry typos in the last post, that is meant to be ...Sorry typos in the last post, that is meant to be <br />"The way in which it was implied that morally dubious actions on the part of the Scots were acceptable; but the English were condemned for doing the same things seemed rather like double standards"Annanoreply@blogger.com